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Post by Redd on Apr 27, 2009 15:00:08 GMT -5
www.thevenusproject.com/The Venus Project is a model for a resource-based economy where everyone has the same quality of life and where humans and the environment come first instead of profits (in fact, money will be phased out in this society, as well as negative behavior).
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on Apr 28, 2009 13:01:42 GMT -5
www.thevenusproject.com/The Venus Project is a model for a resource-based economy where everyone has the same quality of life and where humans and the environment come first instead of profits (in fact, money will be phased out in this society, as well as negative behavior). mm hmm.. sounds great but unfortunately I think most humans are born egoists so I dont think it would work out.
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Post by Redd on Apr 28, 2009 17:09:00 GMT -5
People aren't born with massive egos. They're conditioned to have them. That's like saying some people are born nice or others are born mean. It all depends on how they're raised and who they come into contact with.
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on Apr 29, 2009 11:54:50 GMT -5
People aren't born with massive egos. They're conditioned to have them. That's like saying some people are born nice or others are born mean. It all depends on how they're raised and who they come into contact with. hmm.. I dunno..
think about communism, it is based on the same type of idea, and look what happened when they tried to execute it.
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Post by Redd on Apr 29, 2009 15:33:13 GMT -5
Q. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism?
A. Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments.
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Post by Arc Arsenal on Apr 30, 2009 0:17:09 GMT -5
www.thevenusproject.com/The Venus Project is a model for a resource-based economy where everyone has the same quality of life and where humans and the environment come first instead of profits (in fact, money will be phased out in this society, as well as negative behavior). I remember this from zeitgeist II I like it, it doesn't sound very impossible to create
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Post by Arc Arsenal on Apr 30, 2009 0:21:18 GMT -5
agree or disagree?
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Post by Redd on Apr 30, 2009 0:54:30 GMT -5
I think TVP is possible right now. It's just a matter of getting the governments and people of the world to agree to it.
I'm not sure I believe that swine flu thing being manufactured. An outbreak happened back in the seventies and there is a cure, so why wouldn't they produce something like ebola instead if they wanted to murder millions? Or just drop a nuke?
Edit: I think Ron Paul does a good job of explaining the paranoia behind it:
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Post by 8pup8 on Apr 30, 2009 1:36:47 GMT -5
Hmmm... yeah, I find that idea pretty far fetched. But it might make for a good sci fi book! Seriously. Actually, I think that what happened with this virus is actually not that rare. It's called genetic reassortment/genetic shift.
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on May 1, 2009 2:56:41 GMT -5
Q. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism? A. Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. doesnt matter, because both systems involves humans, and humans are egoists.
greed excisted long before money did.
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on May 1, 2009 3:06:10 GMT -5
Hmmm... yeah, I find that idea pretty far fetched. But it might make for a good sci fi book! Seriously. Actually, I think that what happened with this virus is actually not that rare. It's called genetic reassortment/genetic shift. yup
and seriously
(not to sound harsh but) this flue has killed what? 200 people (?).
How many people die of cancer, aids, malaria etc each day?
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Post by Redd on May 1, 2009 15:46:21 GMT -5
Q. How does The Venus Project Compare with Communism? A. Communism being similar to a resource-based economy or The Venus Project is an erroneous concept. Communism has money, banks, armies, police, prisons, charismatic personalities, social stratification, and is managed by appointed leaders. The Venus Project's aim is to surpass the need for the use of money. Police, prisons and the military would no longer be necessary when goods, services, healthcare, and education are available to all people. The Venus Project would replace politicians with a cybernated society in which all of the physical entities are managed and operated by computerized systems. The only region that the computers do not operate or manage is the surveillance of human beings. This would be completely unnecessary and considered socially offensive. A society that uses technology without human concern has no basis of survival. Communism has no blueprint or methodology to carry out their ideals and along with capitalism, fascism, and socialism, will ultimately go down in history as failed social experiments. doesnt matter, because both systems involves humans, and humans are egoists.
greed excisted long before money did.
Someone had access to more resources, so they figured they could hoard all of the resources and trade them for ones they need, hence greed. They realized they could gain power over others by hoarding these resources, which is why this behavior has continued to this day. I also believe ego is a learned behavior as there are people with very little ego and people who have learned to tone their egos down a bit. @ Swine flu thing: 2,500 Americans die every day from heart disease. I'd be more worried about dying from heart disease than getting swine flu, especially if you live in a nation with good healthcare. Only ONE American has died so far and it was an infant whose parents most likely did not get the proper care in time.
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on May 2, 2009 3:40:59 GMT -5
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Post by Redd on May 2, 2009 14:10:12 GMT -5
Maybe, but you can't say for sure if they're born with massive egos unless they have the same exact upbringing in a controlled environment (which won't happen because it isn't ethical). Also it's possible for these children to change as they mature.
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Post by Kamikaze Parrot on May 3, 2009 2:14:50 GMT -5
Maybe, but you can't say for sure if they're born with massive egos unless they have the same exact upbringing in a controlled environment (which won't happen because it isn't ethical). Also it's possible for these children to change as they mature. hmm... I think it will be hard to achieve.
I agree that egoism is a scale, some have more of it in them than others..
but it is probably a combination of enviromental and genetic effect.. and you cant erase the genetics.
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